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Contents 1 Present, or past? 2 Speculation 3 Alinos 4 Pirate Homeworld 5 time to corrupt? 6 Ridley as the guardian 7 Cores and Prime 8 Colouration 9 Leviathan infant 10 Endosymbiosis?

[edit] Present, or past?

As they die in MP3, should this article be in present form, as in it could still happen, so would wouldn't be used, or a past form?GreenAiden555 02:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

Please don't post speculative theories regarding Metroid Prime's origins. Retro never stated outright what it was, and there are a huge amount of theories regarding it; posting them all would be detrimental to the article. I personally believe that Prime is a Leviathan Core at full maturity, but that's beside the point.68.84.236.41 02:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it IS pretty obvious from the last area in corruption that prime=tallon.phazon metroid.GreenAiden555 21:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily. There are a number of facts that debunk this theory.68.84.236.41 02:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm from England, and we don't have Corruption yet, but after reading the Space Pirate logs, it seems to me that 'Leviathan' is just the name of the Space Pirates' Phazon Seed battleship. Are any of the other seeds ever referred to as 'Leviathans'? Should this article not be named 'Phazon Seed'? --Rob

Exactly...Wait until the game comes out.GreenAiden555 21:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not I've played the game is irrelevant; somebody else here will know, and just might answer my question. --Rob

It seems to me that 'Leviathan' is a name given to the living meteor and its seed. The seed is the actual leviathan, which is the bug creature seen after defeating the corrupted creature. But what happened to Tallon IV's leviathan seed? Did they fuse? Or was it destroyed in the explosion?Phazon Phantom 16:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The Leviathan refers to a Phazon seed. The Space Pirate ship Colossus was altered by the Space Pirates and Dark Samus to be like a Leviathan, but never actually impacted a planet. (The Leviathan Colossus becomes key to the plot later on). The other Leviathans are actual living meteors hurled by Phaaze. They appear to be able to create their own wormholes to arrive at destinations faster and without warning this way. But this may not be an ability they all share, since the Chozo were aware of the Meteor's arrival for a decent while. - The Unsigned

Thank you. --Rob

On Planets with a Leviathan, Once the leviathan is destroyed, isn't all phazon on that planet meant to be destroyed? So when you return to these planets, why is there still traces of Phazon?Phazon Phantom 16:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

This has been bugging me.....How many planets do you think were infected before the events of the Metroid Prime series? Dark Ridley 22:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)_{Please leave all messages at the bottom. MarioGalaxy2433g5 {talk/contribs/Logs} 01:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)}

What difference would it make? Seeing as all phazon was destroyed, these planets (if there even were any other corrupted ones) would become normal again. Why is it bugging you? Unless you want the developers to make a new prime story or something before the event of Prime. But I think they've milked the phazon thing enough. Phazon Phantom 19:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alinos

I doubt a Leviathan hit Alinos. In games where there is a Leviathan there is Phazon and there was definitely wasn't any Phazon. MarioGalaxy2433g5 11:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate Homeworld

Wasn't there a Leviathan Seed on the Leviathan Battleship (making it the "2nd" on the Pirate Homeworld? MetVet

A Leviathan Seed is just a fancy term for a Leviathan, so you're just saying "Isn't there a Leviathan on the Leviathan Battleship" which wouldn't make sense. Also the Leviathan Battleship was in orbit around the Pirate Homeworld. MarioGalaxy_{{Metroid Admin/Mario Admin}} {talk/contribs/Count} 21:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

No, when you go to the room where you activate the battleship and scan the wall behind the hand scanner, the scan visor states that "part of a Leviathan is visible". Something that looks a lot like a Leviathan is in the background. MetVet

Thats because it is the Leviathan you visit on the Pirate Homeworld. MarioGalaxy_{{Metroid Admin/Mario Admin}} {talk/contribs/Count} 00:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] time to corrupt?

How long does it take for a leviathan to fully corrupt a planet?there was one on talon VI for 50 years but the planet was not another phaaze.User:The x reaper62.30.45.127 16:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The Phazon there had been sealed in the impact crater by the Cipher lock. Some phazon escaped as a gas and solidifyed, (supposedly) so there were still some amounts that escaped. However these did not corrupt the planet because they were still underground and were in small amounts.

On Aether, the only phazon had been brought in from mining on Dark Aether, where the meteor had exploded, and so was not successful in corrupting the planet. When Dark Aether was destroyed so was most of the phazon.

Hellkaiserryo12 20:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ridley as the guardian

I quote from the article: Several months after the events of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, a Leviathan impacted the Space Pirate Homeworld. This was the first one to be controlled by Dark Samus. Ridley was chosen to be its guardian.

This makes no sense. If ridley was chosen as the guardian, then how did he appear in his meta form on Norion? The corruption does not take long, as Mogenar and Helios were fully corrupted in 2 weeks. Why did meta ridley lack the weak spot in Corruption (his chest)? Because he was a clone. The Ridley from Prime survived and was chosen to be the guardian, while the other died on Norion. That seems like the only possible reason, unless anyone else has any ideas too? Hellkaiserryo12 16:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

We certainly don't want to speculate about clones, but remember that there was a month between the time Samus fights Meta-Ridley on Norion and when she fights Omega-Ridley. ChozoBoy 16:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cores and Prime

The Leviathan (Levi) core is a "creature" which nurtures phazon from within the Levi's "womb" (for clarity, lets just call the area where you fight each Levi seed boss the womb). The carcass in the Levi infant's chamber at the end of MP3 leads me to believe the possible conclusions: If a core lives on without interruption, protected by their predators, they eventually form into something what looks like the 1st form of Metroid Prime, and when they seep into the planet, they essentially "die" and all the phazon pours out from inside of them, leaving their carcass behind.* When Metroid Prime evolved into what it is, when it consumed the Levi core, it assimilated a lot of the core's identity as well and the result is Metroid Prime's exo form (it is "wearing" the Levi core).

(*Which then leads us to believe Phaaze could possibly be just another planet that is the product of what happens when a Levi seed fully corrupts a planet.)

Infinitysend 04:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

If you pay attention to the exact wording of the Infant Leviathan scan in MP3, it implies a few thing this page does not. While still speculation, I took it as meaning that Phaaze grows a Leviathan, the Leviathan grows a core, Leviathan goes to planet and finds guardian, Leviathan dies, and then core lives on protected making a new Phaaze. I do not remember the theory about the Metroid Prime consuming the core being confirmed.--97.101.231.142 20:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, there is no true confirmation of Prime's origin, however the carcass located throughout the Levi infant's chambers cannot be ignored. The Retro artist who decided to put that there was trying to tell us that either multiple Metroid Primes existing is a possibility, or that the core eventually grows into looking like Prime's exo form and that Metroid Prime (core form) consumed it and assimiliated it into itself. (I prefer this latter theory)

Something, whatever it is, ends up looking like Metroid Prime's exo form. What that exactly is, cannot be proven without theories, unfortunately. Infinitysend 21:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Colouration

I noticed the Leviathan interior on Elysia was a more orange shade than the yellowy grey of the other two. Anyone else notice this? Hellkaiserryo12 21:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The one on the Pirate Homeworld is a blueish color. Could this possibly mean that those leviathan cores had matured much more than the others? They all hit at the same time, right? So the one on the pirate homeworld would have more time to mature. (Rundas382 14:14, November 10, 2009 (UTC))

Actually the Pirate one seemed more grey to me. Notably, the two Chozo planets had "orange" Leviathans. (If the Impact Crater is treated as a Leviathan) If it is, then this debunks that maturation theory, as the Tallon IV one was there for decades. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 18:46, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Leviathan infant

we should include the scan

[edit] Endosymbiosis?

Endosymbiosis is a symbiotic relationship of an animal living within another. Would the leviathan/Phaaze pairing be something like that? Because apparantly, Phaaze does not "give birth" to other phaazes, it "gives birth" to Leviathans, which "grow" Phaazes out of planets... Kinda like a symbiotic/parasitic relationship... One symbiote + other symbiote/parasite + Parasite host... Anyways, yeah, since Leviathans never in their life cycle become Phaaze-like things, and apparantly Phaaze-like things start out as normal planets... Would this be so impossible? DoomZero 22:55, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

It's possible. Although I seem to get the impression that the Leviathans are part of Phaaze, not a parasite or part of a symbiosis. "Leviathans are the children of Phaaze". This is an extract from the scan of the infant Leviathan. Phaaze also produces the Leviathans itself, whereas if the relationship were similar to that of a large sea animal and a Pilot fish, the pilot fish (Leviathans) are not born of the larger creature. Another theory is that Phazon/Phaaze based life is a sort of species itself. The different forms of life (Phazon Metroids, Jelsacs, Hopping Metroids, Phazon Hoppers) never attack each other. Scans in Metroid Prime in the Pirate Labs say that Phazon Metroids and Phazon Metroids were less hostile to each other. So therefore I don't think that Leviathans are just in a species "relationship" with Phaaze, and have evolved to living in that way. Leviathans are Phaaze's offspring, produced for the purpose of corrupting planets, like Phaaze's limbs if you like. Other creatures on Phaaze seem connected to Phaaze itself, so one could assume that they are overworld growths from the core. However, you could also assume that they are independent creatures feeding off the Phazon from below. Who knows? ...Retro Studios... HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 18:36, November 10, 2009 (UTC)