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[edit] Zero Mission pirates?
Just out of curiosity, do the black space pirates in Metroid: Zero Mission go by the same name, or is there another name for them?
ShadowOchibi 06:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think so. MarioGalaxy {talk/contribs/Count} 00:06, 18 January 2008
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- I think they are commandos. Also, should we create a page for space pirate technology, such as weapons and ships and such?
User:Dark Ridley 12:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Question, in the manga I believe the space Pirates refer to themselves as the Shuzoku, and that they have been oppressed. He also said that the Federation is corrupt and that the humans are simple "collecting" other species into it. It was in the 5th book. (http://www.metroidhat.com/MetroidManga/chapter_05.html) Dark Ridley 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Shuzoku is simply Japanese for 'species', 'tribe', or 'family'. He just means that he feels that the space pirates have been unfairly persecuted. That said, his story is incomplete--the raw scan at MDB has a page right before that one that the translation lacks. Let's not make any edits until we find out what else he said. Besides, Adam says the story has been twisted. Dazuro 01:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
As for the Zero Mission black pirates... Commandos didn't exist yet. ZM was pre-Echoes. Besides, SM had tons of recolored basic space pirates with different health levels/weapon immunity. ZM's black or red pirates are just a smaller implementation of the same thing. Dazuro 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
In the manga at one point Mother Brain (after she assumes leadership of the Space Pirates) makes a comparison between space pirates and bees, saying "Just like worker bees that obey and follow their queen because of a hierarchy. They're a smart species." Does this points towards Space Pirates possible being an insectoid species........and does that mean there are bees in metroid? Dark Ridley 02:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Insects aren't the only creatures that have a hive-hierarchy (naked mole rats) but pirates do have an insect-like appearance. As for there being bees in Metroid, there are humans and Earth, so I don't see why bees shouldn't exist...TwistedNerve 03:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- There are wasps in Metroid Prime, so logically you'd think there are bees. It isn't much of a leap to go from one to the other. Squee! 06:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
When the space pirate said the word Shuzoku he than imediantly said race afterwords. The race race wouldn't make much sence for anyone other than cars so he might have ment it as a species. Metroidhunter32 13:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about the part where Space Pirates dislike shorter species, as when the leader (Mr. Crab as Kuritsu called him) makes the order for the childs death for being to short, it appears that the other pirates are actually surprised (or even shocked) by his decision. Dark Ridley 23:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, which is the Pirate depiction you consider the original, or if you don't believe that there is an original, as they may be born different, which is your favourite? I prefer the Corruption armoured ones. Phazon Phantom 20:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Quick Question
Of all my years playing the Metroid games I have yet to figure this out completely. Are the Space Pirates a speacies or an organization? Ridley is a Space Pirate and he is obviously not of the same species as the rest. Yet Metroid Prime 3 has a Pirate Homeworld which has different variations of the same pirate type. Plus Pirates in the Prime series look way different than they do in the 2D games. So I'm pretty much confused. Could somebody please clarify this and maybe put it in the article somewhere? Zabbeth 15:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Space pirates can be like cichlids which are a type of fish that are all the species (DNA wise) but have sub species with same DNA that look diiferent. Another guess for me is that they are symbiotic which means different species but they help each other help.
The Space Pirates are most likely a mixture of both. Remember that the Space Pirates genetically engineer their forces, in effect controlling exactly how they look & function, so considering the entire Space Pirate people as one race could be very difficult, but it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that every variant of Space Pirate originated from one original race. But it is very obvious that some members of the Space Pirate forces are not genetically similar in the slightest; Ridley is definitely not of the same species as the rest. Keep in mind that their homeworld is a homeworld, not a base or hideout. If the Space Pirates were an organized force, the Pirate Homeworld would probably be named something else (maybe "Utragia", as suggested by resident Shriekbats), and be established as a sort of capital for the various species. Armantula513[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 16:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd say that the space pirates are a group (and are beast) because, like you said, there are many types of them. And mother brain is differant then all the rest so- those are my points. -Sylux 776
- I'd say you're wrong, seeing as the games, manga, and creators have all said otherwise. But hey, being factually wrong never stopped a lot of people, so don't let it stop you. ;) Dazuro 19:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Question
Why do pirates look different in Zero mission compared to Prime 1, 2, 3?
I think it's because the pirates in prime are mutated with phazonKir Monda 15:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess that it could be that retro didn't want to design them like that,
i totally think they are spieces but there are many different varities and that they probably recruit others supported by the fact of the militia,they are totally spieces of many different varies.ACK!that was totally suppose to be in the article above.
[edit] New Pics And Maybe A Gallery
Any way we could get a pic of the Space Pirates from every game? Maybe put them in a gallery of some sort? I think it would be helpful seeing as how the Pirates look different in every single game. Now I don't mean every single Pirate type, that would just be to big. What I mean is the standard type of Pirate from all the games they're in. We've already got a Pirate from Prime 1, now we should get a pic of a Pirate from Prime 2 and 3 to show how they look compared to each other. They don't even look like they're the same species! Just a thought. What do you think? Zabbeth 16:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Sounds great! If someone is really brave, I'd love to see this article get organized. Its just a big clump of an important subject right now. ChozoBoy 16:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow your right. This article is just one big mess. "Clean-up" is an understament for this article, it needs a complete re-write! But right now I'm going to browse the site for some pics and start a gallery. Give me some time though, I might just be the one to re-write it. Zabbeth 17:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] New Theory
Bases on observations of the Pirates in the three Prime games, I have come to the conclusion that the Pirates are worms. Basically, imagine a Pirate Militia from Prime 3 but without the armor, it's basically a large, sentient worm wearing powered armor, as they go up in rank they receive more complete, and more powerful armor. Thoughts? 131.107.0.104 16:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
First of all theories belong in forums and userpages. But to give you my thoughts I would say no. In Prime 2 they look really reptilian and in the 2D games they are more crab like beings. As for the worm theory, it's sounds a little like the Hunters in Halo don't you think?Zabbeth 17:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
No, he's got a point. you know the pirate box carriers from corruption? If you zoom in on the model, you can see the head of a pirate. course, this might just be a differently engineered labor form, but... --DekutullaZM 19:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Name Change Or Something
Shouldn't this article be named Space Pirates, you know, plurel with an "S"? Space Pirates appear in most of the games but the actual creature known simply as "Space Pirate" only appears in the first Metroid Prime game. I purpose a name change. Change this articles name to "Space Pirates" and create a new article named "Space Pirate" for the creature in Metroid Prime. Any thoughts?Zabbeth 17:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pirate Leader
After the mother brain was destroyed who controlled the space pirates? They have generals like ridley of course but who do they answer to? Dark samus does not count as she only told them what to do in corruption. Who told them to go and harvest phazon on tallon lv and who told them to pursue it to dark aether and experiment its effect on metroids?
- The scans make mention of a High Command, though who or what exactly comprises that is mostly unknown. TwistedNerve 18:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion
I've decided to expand this page on the Space Pirates so I have produced an exhaustive history and physiology section. Please help me in sort out this page. Feel free to correct anything I've added and help in uploading images to the history. Unfortunatly, I can't put the source for when I asked Retro about why Space Pirates always look different, since it was answered in the form of a e-mail but I've tried to make sure everything in this is pure canonical information. Tuckercreator.
Would you mind sharing the e-mail and date with us here? How did you get in contact with them? ChozoBoy 05:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- I cleaned up your edits, so some of the false links you made are now correct. I have to say though, well done because that must have taken some time, and it was very accurate! I moved the history section to the bottom of the page, just above the non canon info. I thought that would be best. I do however think that this article is rather large, so i tagged it for cleanup because it looks a little messy. I also think that having the history as a seperate article would be a better idea, and we could link that to this one. What do you others think about that idea? Hellkaiserryo12 20:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think we should have the history as a separate article but instead I think we should analyze it and see which sections are most neccessary and trim it as needed. What the History does need is more images. As for the e-mail with with the Retro employee, here is the section regarding Space Pirates:
2. Is there any reason in particular for why the Space Pirates never seem to have a real base form? They always look different in every game and they're almost always wearing armor. The armorless pirate seems to be the ones in Corruption but are they Phazon-enhanced forms? And on the same subject, why does Weavel resemble a human when the pirates (mostly) seem to hold a very different body shape, notable more hunch-backed, with less fingers? Lastly, why does the manual say that Weavel was fought in Brinstar when in Zero Mission, no Pirates are found on Brinstar?
2. The Pirates are always redesgined in the games for a fresh feel =). Weavel was fought in Brinstar long ago after Samus ambushed his batallion. There ARE pirates on Brinstar just apprently not in Zero Mission. Brinstar is part of Zebes which is one of the Pirates Main Bases next to their homeworld. Weavel looks different because he was so injured by samus that he needed a cybernetic exoskeleton to survive.
I contacted him after I find out that this particular person was a moderator at Retro. He had started an acount on Youtube to upload requested Metroid music. I sent him a message and he replied. User:Tuckerscreator 4:41 17 March 2009
- On second thought, maybe the history SHOULD be a separate article. In that cause, the current Space Pirate article will have to largely be focused on their physiology and society. I also think we should the Space Pirate hunting video, as it has no useful purpose to the article. User:Tuckerscreator 6:42 19 March 2009
[edit] Size
ChozoBoy, Tuckerscreator, and a few others expressed interest in some old images I had on my old computer. I got it running on wireless for a bit, so here you go, while I still have the chance. Here's the first one, I'll keep an eye out for the rest
Dazuro 04:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, man. They look great. Kind of cropped, though. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
That, sir, is awesome. User:Tuckerscreator 18:15 04 May 2009
do you think you could do this with prime trilogy and compare the sizes of samus/pirates/marines,and metroids throughout the series? thanks.71.54.128.176 03:39, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Description info
How do you add those bars containing information for a particular article subject. For example, Samus's page , underneath her picture, has several gray bars saying her name, age, and affiliation. We need to do a similar sort of thing with this article so how do we do that?--Tuckerscreator 01:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- You make/use a template. This one might use the species template. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Unless you're talking about a specific Space Pirate, I don't think you need that.Corruption378 02:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we do. If you look at Wookieepedia, which is the epitome of a fanbase wiki, you can clearly see that they have those bars when speaking about a species.--Tuckerscreator 03:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
But Chozoboy, how do I make a species template? Every species page I see, there are no templates so how do I know how to do one?--Tuckerscreator 18:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Zoomer has one. Copy it and replace the creature-specific text. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 18:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, Chozo boy. But when I added the template, the page wouldn't put up some of the things I added, such as eye color, skin color, and language. How do I add these?--Tuckerscreator 18:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- 5 to 8 feet? The hell? They're at LEAST seven feet tall in every appearance, often up to about ten or more. That field seems to have been removed, but if it goes back, let's get a bit of a more realistic figure! And that's not even counting Elites and such... Dazuro 05:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess I must have gotten carried away when I put 5 feet. They're at least 6 ft with every appearance. I don't know about ten feet, however, unless you count the Elite Pirates and Berserker Lords, but those should be kept separate, as we are reffering to the ordinary, average Pirate height here. 6 to 8 feet.--Tuckerscreator 17:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- In Prime, they're at least ten feet tall. They just tend to hunch. They have NEVER been a mere six feet in a single appearance. Dazuro 17:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Bzzt, wrong. Notice how bent the legs are? They stand straight tall before Samus meets them. They duck down a bit for their battle pose. When standing tall, they're at least ten feet tall. When hunched, they're at least seven. They are never, ever Samus's height--if it ever appears even REMOTELY that way, it's because of the first-person camera. It makes it a bit difficult to judge size--most people claim Prime's metroids to be tiny, for instance, while comparing their models to Samus reveals them to be only slightly smaller than usual, if at all. The fact is, camera angles aside, the model for the space pirate is massively taller than Samus in all respects, and slightly taller even when hunched. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's how it is. Dazuro 01:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that its legs were bent, but that would only add a half a foot to a foot to their height. The way how I guage them being the same height as Samus is because, when they are right up to her visor, you can still see their face. If they were really ten feet tall, then even crouching they would still be towering over her. Ten feet tall is pushing it way too far. Their height is 6 feet, at best 8. Even in the 2-d games like Super Metroid and Zero Mission, they are still the same height as her.--Tuckerscreator 03:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you are wrong, my friend. Indicated by the instrucion manual to Metroid 2, Samus is 6 3 in her suit, so if the pirates were 6 feet then they would be shorter than her, so they're most likely around 8 feet tall. 97.126.85.218 12:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't being that exact! Ha Ha! I wasn't measuring inches! Your last argument isn't showing anything. It's simply saying: because they can't be six feet, they are eight. Here you are simply using your stance as an argument to defend the stance you are defending, which is a very bad tactic to use. Like I said before, I was leaving it to about 6-8 feet, and I was arguing that ten feet is far too tall.
Wait a minute, I just realized this last argument wasn't by Dazuro. Is it you, again? That anonymous user who keeps coming here? Given the twisting of my words on this last argument, I am seriously beginning to question your motives now.
Dazuro, if you read this, ignore the above guy. He's been following me around the talk pages. Ignore him.--Tuckerscreator 17:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Look, man, it doesn't matter how the camera angle makes them look. By comparing their actual model sizes, we can get exact size comparisons. They're never a mere six feet. Ever. You say they're her height in the 2D ones--that's not true either. They're STILL taller than her, in all three games they appear in. Just look up above--I posted their model next to Samus. Now keep in mind that the Prime 3 ones are shorter than Prime 1's. Ten feet when standing tall is nowhere near an exaggeration. I don't know why you have so much trouble comprehending this, especially when I provide photographic evidence and you merely say "BUT THEY LOOK SHORT INGAME!" over and over again. Face it. They're tall. Dazuro 19:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Since words apparently aren't enough, here, have even more photographic evidence. Continue arguing this point and you prove that you have no purpose here other than to vandalize my attempts to correct your misinformation, so I'd like to kindly ask you to shut up. Dazuro 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey! There's no need to shout! You hadn't provided photograhic evidence before, so that's why I kept arguing. Now I've got the evidence in front of me, so there we have it. 8 to 10 feet tall... Can we use these pictures in the article?--Tuckerscreator 19:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Look above. I already posted the MP3 ones. That should have been sufficient, since most of your argument was based on the 3D ones. And either way, the rest of the images were taken straight from this site. A little research goes a long way. Dazuro 20:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The above Prime 3 one was cut out so I couldn't see the rest. And you spliced together the 2-d ones, right? This is great. We need more of these.--Tuckerscreator 20:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Cut out? What? All that got cut out is the tips of the Berserker's arms, and Samus's cannon, though that one's just a separate model so it couldn't get included like that anyway. O_o But yeah, I spliced it all.. not super helpful to the wiki, though, unless I'm missing something. Why do we need more? Dazuro 20:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I meant that picture above this section with the Berserker Lord. I can't see what's past the Space Pirate arm. But it doesn't matter. I know know what it looks like. As for that 2-d one, it would be helpful for the physiology section, as since we are discussing in that part how the Pirates look different in every game, such a picture would be a useful reference.--Tuckerscreator 21:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ever heard of a scrollbar? >_> It's a full image, man. It just goes off the page a bit. Dazuro 22:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
My scrollbar was broken then. Now it's not. I gave up trying after the first few times. Speaking of scrollbars, would you happen to know how to make an up/down scrollbar on an article. I've been trying to make one for the History of SPace Pirates references ection, but I don't know how to make one.--Tuckerscreator 22:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
in metroid other M the pirates seem a lot bigger than samus (the above anon is not me. I'm me. the anon that's been active here and too lazy to create a user page.)
This might be slightly off topic, but has anyone else noticed that when Samus goes right up to a wall in any of the prime games, the cannon looks the same size? Its very humorous to see with the anhiliator beam in Echoes multiplayer, pressed up against the opponent. HellKaiserryo12[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 21:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Images
How about I make an image of the Space Pirates in every game? 
Snakeboss14
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! It will be awesome.--Tuckerscreator 14:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Have you made it already or are you assembling it? Oh, and show it here first before puttingit in the articel. Then if there are any revisions that need to be done, we can suggest them.--Tuckerscreator 22:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I'm making it, but I can't find images of Metroid I and II. The first one may or may not be changed to Zero Mission.
Snakeboss14
There were no Pirates in Metroid I and II. They din't appear until Super Metroid.--Tuckerscreator 17:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- There's a problem: the only in-game pirate trooper image I could get from Echoes was a Dark one. And the pirate trooper from Corruption is in a black background. Snakeboss14
Here's an image I uploaded of the Pirate Troopers from echoes recently. Plus there is an artwork of them on the Pirate Trooper page. HellKaiserryo12[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Ooooh. If we ever have a featured image section, this should be one.--Tuckerscreator 20:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- LOL, I think that, too. I wanted to just put in-game images, but I'll have to put that artwork unless you think the Dark pirate is better. And what about the one in Corruption? Snakeboss14
They've got a moving picture in the gallery. DekutullaZM 20:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Wait, Snakeboss, are you putting this to together from art, or from ripped models?--Tuckerscreator 22:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Mostly from in-game models, but the Metroid Prime 2 and 3 had to be concept art images. Why? Snakeboss14
Oh, Because Dazuro was able to hack into some in-game models. There is a picture of one right above here. Maybe you can spilce in that one?--Tuckerscreator 22:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm actually using those models (that's why the Zero mission pirate is before the fusion in my picture. Snakeboss14
Well' one of them is the Corruption model and you said you were using concept art, so I was getting worried. But thanks.--Tuckerscreator 22:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
is your pic done yet? --DekutullaZM 17:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Fusion Pirates
The Brawl sticker calls them "Zebes inhabitant". Why? Snakeboss14
- Originally, Space Pirates were known as "Zebesian Space Pirate", even though they are not from Zebes. It was later explained by Nintendo that they have taken on the name Zebesian because they feel it is their right to claim the planet,and thus they use the name much like how we would call ourselves Americans even though our ancestors were not from America.--Tuckerscreator 17:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It could as be called that because Sakurai might have not researched metroid well enough to call them space pirates. User:Metroid101
- LOL, hey, by the way, I've just noticed they turn into fish when found in Sector 4. Weird, huh? Snakeboss14
em... not really weird because if you check you can see the X parasites from the fish (not sure of the name) and join with the space pirates merging the fish's characteristics with the space pirates Robertmetroid 19:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed. Snakeboss14 22:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Different Pirates, different jobs?
I have a theory about why the space pirates look different in each game. Like bees, maybe the pirates are bred for certian jobs. For instance, the pirates from Metroid Prime. All of the pirates seem to be scientists or researchers. There hunched form might make it easier to repair machines in tight spaces. In Echoes, they may be scouts of some kind. They are sent out to build bases before main personnel get there. This would explain their low numbers and athletic appearence. In Corruption, these pirates are the main military force. This would explain how they are well armed. See my point? (Quadraxis Prime 12:47, September 20, 2009 (UTC))
- An interesting theory. However, all the Pirates seem to be warriors/soldiers as they are all well armed and trained. Scientists aren't normally trained in combat situations. Most of your theory seems to fit. The thing to remember though is that it isn't likely that the Pirate redesigns were anything more than to keep the species fresh, rather than having an actual role. HellKaiserryo12[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- It could be because all the pirates know about samus and know they are doomed because of her. They all MUST have military training in order to be prepared to fight samus or ANYTHING(ING ... cough).
